Unequal temperament enables fine tuning of bass notes to provide better resonances for the instrument.
Jason Shutz
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Nice presentation. Gives me something to think about.
Very very interesting!! Thank you for posting.
Thanks. Harmonics are the key to tune it, not only octaves must sound well
tempered
I love all this technical stuff. And I thought setting the tappets on a car
was clever. I had a Kirnberger tuning this week on my piano and it sounds
glorious. I shall never look back.
@amezcuaist !!! Kirnberger is adventurous! I have always thought it just
possibly a little strong for the piano . . . ?
Kirnbrger is as satisfying in E flat major as C major.
To hear more clearly the bass string height, knocking them with a nail ( c#
g# is not pure but tempered !) your wo wow on GD is twice as fast as the
actual beat ! FC is also slighly tempered. Something wrong in your
appreciation theory, as beats are not even in speed, the speed varies in
time (why we have to play so often the intervals) play one note then add
the other to hear more clearly ! Best regards
THe problem of this method is that you get some kind of justness, but when
the note is played musically it refers not to a partial, but to a global
pitch perceived. It is very clear when listening to that eB that its pitch
even evolve in time. in music we will hear more the pitch at the attack
time than what remains after a second. The idea to tune in the resonance of
the piano is good
No way with those old strings only a musical appreciation (vs/major/minor
colour) will work. Partials are very high and unharmonics , and they differ
on every string, the tone then raise soon after the attack. Obliged to
listen and have a musical appreciation of justness. IN THE PIANO SPECTRA
(sorry !)
@siwa69 well “ear” is the key ! but indeed each note is made of a lot of
partials. A “global” hearing is the key, partials only show a part of the
justness.
the best choice in regard of the piano sympathy resonance is to use 12-15
all along the piano. for equal temp. Stay tempered but raise resonance and
crispness. To tune basses the attack have to be tuned first, then sustain.
some voicing will make the tone less inharmonic too. WHat I dont get is
that if you have so much musician ears why do you need an electronic
device, plus that one provide an organ type tuning inadapted to inharmonic
instrumentys as pianos.
mmmm such nice british accent
Thanks! It’s so nice to be appreciated! 🙂
wow thank you
I was wondering as you seem interested in harmonics, perhaps you can
answer: 1) all the strings have natural “major” harmonics, am I right? 2)
can you tune a string to have a minor harmonic? 3) if not, is a minor
harmonic only a part of the harmonics of two or more different strings in a
minor harmony, or can a single major harmonic string display minor
harmonics?
Hi! By harmonics, we mean components of the composite sound of the string
vibrating in various ways, It vibrates at a fundamental frequency, whole
length, double frequency, half length, triple, quadruple etc etc . So a
string vibrating at 100 cycles per second (Hz) also is capable of vibrating
additionally at 200, 300, 400, 500, 600 etc. French horn and brass players
are familiar with this as we use the harmonics of the instrument to reach
different pitches. There are no major or minor harmonics
I’m interested in which examination (and the cost) and how long it takes
(approximately) to train to become a piano tuner? I understand it is a
lifelong study too!
Apparently its the same amount of time as it takes to become a doctor.
With all due respect, this is a mess. Your octaves are all over the place –
2:1, 4:2, 6:3, etc. Surely you know that there is no such thing as a
beatless octave. Your starting F-A, which you call pure, is anything but. I
fail to see why an unequal temperament makes it easier to improve the
resonance of the piano as your method would work just as well (or as
poorly) in equal temperament. I suggest you get rid of the machine and use
your considerable natural abilities.
I guess “B” to “F” sharp is pure too.I mean fifth. Am i right?
and you start make tamperament with A ?